Comments on: Does Most Leadership Suck? – A Challange

By: tobeme

tobeme — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:08:30 +0000

Tumel,
Thanks for your thoughts on leadership and followership. You make some great points. One of the traits of a great leader is to lead people to do something which they cannot envision themselve that they can only see through the leaders eyes!

By: tobeme

tobeme — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:04:24 +0000

Rachel,
You had a very wise employer for this is very true. Thanks for sharing.

By: tobeme

tobeme — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:03:44 +0000

Whig,
If I am wrong on this quote, that is okay. I can accept that. I do not currently have the time or inclination to research this quote. I used this quote because it delivered the message that I desired to convey. So, please, who do you attibute this quote to. I don’t find that this is something that I care to argue about. If I am wrong, which is quite possible and you are so passionate about attributing this quote to the right person then please enligten us. Thank-you, your thoughts are always welcome.

By: tumel

tumel — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:13:12 +0000

I was thinking about this more, wondering when I follow, why I do. For me when I follow something it is the ideals I follow. Ideals that match my own, ways of thinking that matches my own as well, and I think sometimes I follow along to learn. This way I think I am better able to give support, if support is needed. I do not think I could follow anything or anyone if I felt what I follow or who I follow do not match what I feel my own ideals are somewhat.

Ideals I think of at the moment are honesty in all things, openness, interigty, passion, non-judgement, fairness and empathy:) If I do not see this, in what I follow, then I can not follow effectively, and if I cannot provide all of this if I am leading, then I feel I cannot lead effectively either.

Respect is also so very important. But the respect that comes naturally.

By: Rachel

Rachel — Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:32:23 +0000

On the issue of leadership, the best employer I ever had said ” that to be a good leader you must put responsible soldiers in position, for their success shall shine back on their leadership. “

By: Rachel

Rachel — Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:28:41 +0000

> smiles

By: whig

whig — Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:10:41 +0000

Please state your reference, Mark. It’s not enough to just assure your readers that you are correct, when you are not correct. Thomas Paine did not say what you claim he said, unless I am mistaken.

You are advocating a leader-follower relationship which I cannot participate in, and which goes against everything Thomas Paine believed.

I now consider you willfully deceptive.

By: tobeme

tobeme — Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:08:01 +0000

Bop,
You make some excellent points. To be an effective leader you must also be an effective follower. True, leadership is not defined by the outcome of what they do as good or bad, it is how they were able to lead people to do what they wanted them to do. It is also true, that many leaders are not in formal roles of leadership. These leaders often are what keep a group glued together and successful dispite ineffective leadership at the top.
You have had added some great thoughts to this conversation, thank-you.

By: tobeme

tobeme — Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:04:03 +0000

David,
I would say, yes, you could broaden your definition of leadership. Parent, teachers, etc are all leaders. Most of us, have the opportunity to lead in many facets of our life. I believe that there are many effective leaders, we simply do not acknowlege them, they are rarely highlighted in the public mind. Thanks for your thoughts.

By: tobeme

tobeme — Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:02:01 +0000

Paul,
I like the correlation that you have drawn between our current political process and our founding fathers. Very astute observation.
Thanks for sharing these important thoughts.